Bush, Decrying 'Bullying,' Calls for Russia to Leave Georgia

News Type: Event — Seeded on Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:22 AM EDT

Article Source: The New York Times

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Condemning as unacceptable what he called Russia's "bullying and intimidation," President Bush said Friday that Russia must withdraw its troops from all of Georgian territory and said the United States would stand with Georgia in the conflict.

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ShaunV

In some of his strongest language yet on the war that flared up a week ago, Mr. Bush said in a brief statement at the White House, "Moscow must honor its commitment to withdraw its invading forces from all Georgian territory."

Mr. Bush said that the cold war was over and that Russia had damaged its credibility and standing in the international order. Russia now has to "put itself back on the path of responsible nations," Mr. Bush said.

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#1 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:22 AM EDT

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BAjunkie

Bush also said, in true 'oblivious to the rest of the world' fashion:

"Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st Century"

So, I guess it only applies to everyone else....

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3 votes

#2 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:34 AM EDT

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ShaunV

Good question, and IMO, we need to stay out of this.

I think a crucial difference in the middle east is that we were attacked and the radical jihadists and radical muslims have declared the rest of the world infidels and enemies and targets.

My question is: Why is it that every time some country gets themself in trouble they call for the US to save their bacon?

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#2.1 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:37 AM EDT

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BAjunkie

I'm with ya on that one Shaun. We kind of assumed the role of 'world police' after WWII, and since then have been in a state of flux, going from high prosperity to utter lows. I say we should take some off time and look after our own for a bit before meddling around the world. That's not to say that we can't help out struggling countries, but we must do it through humanitarian efforts and gestures of goodwill, not by military utilization and displays of force.

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#2.2 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:57 AM EDT

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ShaunV

I say we should take some off time and look after our own for a bit before meddling around the world. That's not to say that we can't help out struggling countries, but we must do it through humanitarian efforts and gestures of goodwill, not by military utilization and displays of force.

Agreed.

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#2.3 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:42 PM EDT

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AdipicAcid

we were attacked and the radical jihadists and radical muslims have declared the rest of the world infidels and enemies and targets.

None of whom were in Iraq. To be a true parallel, the Georgians would have acted up and Putin would have invaded Estonia as well as Georgia.

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#2.4 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:35 PM EDT

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ShaunV

None of whom were in Iraq.

Iraq is filled with terrorist enablers.

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#2.5 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:20 PM EDT

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AdipicAcid

Now. Not before we attacked, however. The terrorists who attacked us most certainly weren't. They were (and are) in Afghanistan and Pakistan, only one of whom we have dealt with even semi-adequately.

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#2.6 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:47 PM EDT

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ShaunV

Adipic:

It does seem that way on the surface.

Still, the average citizen will likely not have access to intelligence information regarding the whereabouts of terrorists or the logic behind Iraq, for some time.

It will likely be 60 years before all the intelligence information is declassified.

Time will tell.

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#2.7 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:51 PM EDT

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BAjunkie

Call me crazy.. but I don't put much credence into US intelligence in Iraq these days.

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#2.8 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:00 PM EDT

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jade-log

"Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity must be respected,"

Well this proves it The Emperor Has no Clothes. George Bush and Dr. Rice are completely mad. Parts of Georgia want to be part of neighboring Russia. The rest of the country wants to be in NATO. It's people's choice. Let them figure it out. We have no business there. I'm more worried about Texas declaring itself a nation, now that it has all our money.

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#2.9 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:08 PM EDT

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Arad

In other news, the kettle called the pot black. More at eleven...

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#3 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:51 AM EDT

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No Mcgovern repeat 08

I say we should take some off time and look after our own for a bit before meddling around the world. That's not to say that we can't help out struggling countries, but we must do it through humanitarian efforts and gestures of goodwill, not by military utilization and displays of force.

I am 'guessing" most of the "isolationist" posters here are probably in their 20's?

It was that same kind of "isolationist" position the United States had in the 1930 that allowed Hitler to come to power, the holocaust, Japan's march across Aisa. Might want to take some time away from the Ipod to read a history book or two.

Russia agression is a symtom of a much bigger agenda and while we need to tread cautiously, we need to do something, before things get out of hand, that is unless yoiu are "OK" with being drafted if the situation worsens? We really don't need another cold war, and we should not be so naive to think it cant happen again.

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#4 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:10 PM EDT

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BAjunkie

This isn't 1930, and we are not the world police.
Also, I don't give a damn about being drafted. Too old for that, unless they up the age requirements to infringe on 30ish.

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#4.1 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:20 PM EDT

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AdipicAcid

It's also what happened in Hungary, and the Russians didn't end up running over the entire world after that, even though we did very little if anything to help the Hungarians in their plight.

You might want to read some history post World War II. Although there are definite similarities between Putin's methods in Georgia and Hitler's in Czechoslovakia, it isn't a total parallel. Most importantly, the French Army could have rolled over Germany in a week or two if they had decided the Sudetenland was worth it: many Wehrmacht Generals thought that was exactly what would happen and were preparing a post-Hitler military government for after the defeat. Russia is not nearly in such a vulnerable position.

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#4.2 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:50 PM EDT

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ShaunV

Russia agression is a symtom of a much bigger agenda and while we need to tread cautiously, we need to do something, before things get out of hand,

I understand your point.

Still, I am kind of tired of the US being the world police, and the first line of defense for everyone in the world.

Why doesn't west and east Europe take care of it, at this early stage? It's right in their back yard.

We can get involved if they can't handle it.

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#4.3 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:24 PM EDT

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Roy Batty

Why doesn't west and east Europe take care of it, at this early stage? It's right in their back yard.

Because they have seen the economic and political toll that comes with being the World's Policeman^TM. Nine trillion dollars in debt and weak currency is our reward. Why would the EU want to follow that? Especially if we may be suckers enough to keep doing it?

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#4.4 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:35 PM EDT

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