Poll: Sexist Media Far Harsher On Palin Than Clinton

Aimee, she was vetted, she just wasn't vetted by the liberal elite media.  Liberals think that she failed miserably, because they are liberals, and she is a conservative.  If you look a Dick Morris's analyses, he found they she was a stronger pull then McCain. 

Ryan,

It was Sarah Palin's fault that she failed. She was clearly out of her league and it's was proven everytime she opened her mouth. There were I'm sure plenty other qualified women that was better for the GOP- VP pick than Sarah Palin and they chose to over look them. Why? Only they can tell us that.

Of course they were harsher on Palin, at least Clinton had a more than adequate resume to be running for the highest position of office.

Palin doesn't have the experience or credentials required...

Dick Morris is a weasel, plain and simple. His analysis came right out of Hannity's butt crack.

ShaunV -

66.6 million voters disagree with you about his qualifications.

Also - being able to draw a crowd doesn't mean anything with respect to qualifications.  Look how many folks watch pro wrestling - but do you want them (other than, perhaps Ventura) to be President or Vice-President?  Using your logic we can say that Palin was more qualified than McCain since she consistently drew larger crowds.

rls8r - thank you!

and I am 1 of those 66.6 M

Shaun, are you implying that 66.6 million voters were brainwashed?  Can you show us proof, or is this your opinion?

comparing the election to the Jonestown massacre...

I don't know, big difference. 

Shaun, are you implying that 66.6 million voters were brainwashed?  Can you show us proof, or is this your opinion?

Only when you show me proof that they weren't.

Ah, yes.  The typical elementary school yard argument.  Well played, Shaun.

Only when you show me proof that they weren't.

LOL.  What else can I expect from a guy like you?

She failed not because she was a woman, but because when she spoke, it was clear she was not ready.  The media did not put those words in her mouth, she did.  Now as far as turn out, it should be noted that many came or tuned in just to see if she would would embarrass herself further or actually prove the media concerns.  She always proved them right.  She was inadequate.

What proof do you want me to provide?  You're the one who made the analogy between Jonestown and 66.6 million voters!!!  Why should I have to show any proof of anything?  I'm reading your post at 3.1--- I think you're way in over your head on this issue.  Nuff said.  I'm out.

Palin made herself an easy target.  She allowed herself to be handled badly. She allowed herself to be dictated to. She didn't speak up and out until it was too late and we were all ready to see her disappear back to the frozen Alaskan tundra.

If you allow yourself to be led then you deserve where you end up. Period.

Her campaign sent the lamb to the Couric slaughter because 'they' thought it would be an easier interview.

So were they being sexist towards Palin? Couric? or both?

The difference between a woman like Palin and a woman like Hillary is that a woman like Palin walks in and DEMANDS attention and respect......a woman like Hillary walks into a room and COMMANDS it.

ShaunV -

Shaun, Shaun ... I'll be glad to review things for you.

First, you seeded an article about the Press being unfair to Palin;
 
- then you were pulled off-topic and started to discuss whether or not Palin had failed her media-vetting;

- then you went further off-topic and made a leap of logic about how Dick Morris' analysis of Palin's ability to draw crowds meant that she had the experience and credentials to be VP;
 
- then you went even further off-topic to state your opinion that Obama doesn't have the required experience and credentials when Bar Fly tried to re-direct the conversation back to the seeded topic;

- I then made the observation that 66.6 million voters disagree with your opinion about Obama's not having the required experience and credentials;

- You then went off on a rant about the Jonestown mass suicide - somehow drawing a comparison between the 66.6 million people that voted for Obama and the 'majority of people' (majority of what population remains unclear) that committed suicide.  The last sentence of that paragraph wanders off and doesn't make sense to me, so I have to stop there - I'm not sure what you meant to say.

I can see how you lost the point of the thread.  Is it starting to come back?  Is this sounding familiar?

My point was that with respect to the topic of this thread - the topic that you chose - is that subjectively, it really doesn't matter what you think of Obama's credentials - objectively, it really doesn't matter if Obama has them or not. The fact remains that a majority of voters disagree with you and that after considering all the information that has been developed over a 2-year run-up to the election, whatever credentials Obama has - the majority of voters considers Obama to have credentials sufficient for the job.

Whether it was a right decision or a wrong decision remains to be seen. I, and about 66.6 million others feel we made the right decision. Regardless - I'm not going to base my opinion of Obama's credentials to be President, or even of Palin's credentials to be VP for that matter, on whether or not Palin can draw a larger crowd than McCain.

Shaun,

HAHAHA you get more delusional by the day. So it's to be assumed that 66 Million WERE brainwashed, and the opposite is what has to be proven?

Prove to me that ALL of McCain's voters didn't vote for him just because they hate black people with a violent passion.

The ball is in your court, until then, we'll just assume that EVERYONE who voted for McCain is a violent, racist terrorist who is currently planning to kill Obama this very moment. And now that there is a black president using the Patriot Act, maybe we can do something about you racist terrorists

Shaun V, I rarely disagree with the premise and opinions of the authors or articles on this site but to claim that her treatment was sexist is logically baseless. She simply is, was and may never be competent or ethical enough to hold an office that demands honesty over hubris, democracy over demagoguery and ideas over ideology. If Hillary would have acted like Sarah then the result would have been the same.

Shaun -- you state that Palin wasn't given a fair chance.  She was yanked from relative obscurity two months before the election.  During those two months she held exactly zero press conferences.   What was unfair about the media's coverage and what could they have done to be more fair to her?

Gosh how can any compare Hillary to Palin? Or Barack to Palin? We are talking apples and oranges.  Hillary and Barack are very well educated and experience in the world of our nations politics particularly Hillary she has years and years of experience.  Palin knows the state of Alaska and that is where her knowledge seemed to begin and end. She mocked Obama's time spent as a community organizer and I wonder if she is still laughing?  We all saw the kind of ability and leadership this guy has!   Give us a break Palin not only gave the media but the comedians so much to work with she serve it up weekly.

If she was not prepared or ready she should have said no to the GOP.

Lead me to a comment, made by Palin that was not either a:

a) rambling syntax monster challenging the best and brightest to decipher its meaning.

b) a base character attack.

c) an over-repeated talking point.

OR

d) all of the above.

Do that and I will concede your point.

Do the same for Obama first.

Then enjoy these Obamoments:

America has 60 states, I've visted 57 of them..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

 Veterans are honored on Memorial Day

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8YaR3JEkE

the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex1VvlnAmw0

I've spoken to the "living" Presidents

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1155201977?bctid=1906919424

  Stuttering Fool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0hU1THjuc

 Babbling Fool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc&feature=related

and finally...

J-O-B-S, a 3-letter word

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU

 at least Clinton had a more than adequate resume to be running for the highest position of office.

How did sleeping with Bill Clinton and becoming JUNIOR SENATOR make a better resume than someone with 2 elected EXECUTIVE POSITIONS; Mayor, Governor on their resume?

Palin doesn't have the experience or credentials required...

Do the same for Obama first.

Typical Right-Wing Know-nothing response. "I won't answer your question, you answer mine"

You can't answer his question, because you're not informed enough.

Archon Prime -

Thanks - some of these are funny.  The Memorial Day was a bit long, so I didn't go all the way through it.  I guess I didn't stay with it long enough to catch the funny part - maybe someone should snip it so it won't take so long to get to.  I think Obama actually said "bombs" with respect to Pearl Harbor - but he said it so softly that I'll have to admit - if you have your heart set on hearing a gaffe - that one will do.

The difference between these and Palin's gaffes is that Obama recognizes when he makes a mistake, and is confident enough to laugh at it - secure in the knowledge that he simply mis-spoke.  Palin, on the other hand - is mystified with regard to what is wrong with the things she says and tries to support or 'explain' them - and in the process digs an ever deepening hole.  One person we laugh with - the other we laugh at.

PS: I especially liked the "57 States - remix" that you didn't link - it was a bit long for my taste - but funny nonetheless.

Except they do not answer my question. Were any of ARCHON's examples character attacks? Were any of them mindlessly repeated talking points?

Try this. Announce your candidacy for the presidency. Try to keep up the pace that it requires for 18 months. Now try to never say something inaccurate or slightly stupid sounding in all of the unscripted moments that will happen in that time.

McCain couldn't do it. That's why he stopped talking candidly to the press. Palin was only on the trail a couple of months and was spouting nonsense and vitriol right out of the gate. 

Archon Prime -- I didn't know social conservatives are comic book fanatics too. Do you talk politics at comicon too.

It's funny how the original comparison in the article is the comparison between the men and women running in the election yet no one has mention the wonderful tongue tripping of Biden. They all had them but I absolutely agree that Palin got crucified at every turn. Her statements weren't necessarily gaffes like Obama's and Biden's, more or less a misrepresentation of coherent sentences. At first I didn't feel bad for her, but now I do knowing what this election has done to her family, her reputation and career. How do you recover from that? She was the willing pawn of the GOP and probably had no idea what she was up against. We are all humans and make mistakes, yet it looks like we are going to make her pay for this one for years to come.

EJ -

I think if she goes back to Alaska and handles the several bad situations that she's facing there she'll do OK.  Sure - she's had a hard time of it for the past several months but it got her into the spotlight.  If she moves past being defensive, and takes this opportunity to better-educate herself and really learn her profession - then with her new knowledge and administrative experience she'll probably be a force to be reckoned with in the next election cycle - or perhaps the one after that.  If she doesn't learn from this experience - and continues to blame everyone else for her missteps - then I think you're right - her career (at least, beyond Alaska) is probably over.

I tend to think she has a better opportunity facing her now than she did when she was picked as VP.  It's now up to her to do something with it.

Typical Right-Wing Know-nothing response. "I won't answer your question, you answer mine"

You can't answer his question, because you're not informed enough.

I'm better informed than Obama and ANY of his supporters.

 I guess I didn't stay with it long enough to catch the funny part - maybe someone should snip it so it won't take so long to get to. 

O=genius says it in the first 11 seconds of the clip-Obama sees members of our FALLEN heroes in the audience today...He might see Veterans in the audience but he doesn't see any of the fallen Heroes....or do he?

  I think Obama actually said "bombs" with respect to Pearl Harbor

Obama is quite clear about THE bomb that dropped on Pearl Harbor.

It's quite clear that Obama has no clue about Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima or American History outside of Chicago's Black Power race-politics set.

Obama recognizes when he makes a mistake

No, he doesn't. Obama recognizes HE'S BULLSH!TTING when he speaks. The Affirmative Action tap-dance for forgiving liberals is easy to recognize and easier to mock.

Laugh some more at the absolute LIES Obama tells:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjO8Qc5s1fY

The real answer is 9.

 I didn't know social conservatives are comic book fanatics too. Do you talk politics at comicon too.

Do you talk comic books at political meetings? Do you know many social conservatives?

 Were any of ARCHON's examples character attacks?

I didn't get to the "LIPSTICK ON A PIG" or "OLD SMELLY FISH" comments-those were blatant "character attacks.

Accusing the Republicans of using "race" was a character attack.

Pointing out Obama's friends are radicals and terrorists isn't a character attack-it's a character exposition.

Were any of them mindlessly repeated talking points?

Everything Obama said was a mindlessly repeated talking point.

Try this. Announce your candidacy for the presidency. Try to keep up the pace that it requires for 18 months. Now try to never say something inaccurate or slightly stupid sounding in all of the unscripted moments that will happen in that time.

Try doing it when you're an Affirmative Action half-wit with, oddly enough, ZERO RECORD of ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT or personal accomplishment...outside of "organizing" your neighborhood.

Yeah, it'll help if the media covers-up your every mistake while it attacks your enemies for you.

 Palin was only on the trail a couple of months and was spouting nonsense and vitriol right out of the gate.

Palin was in the campaign for 9-weeks. What nonsense & vitriol was she spouting? Was it the truth about lord messiah Obama's pal Bill Ayers...yeah it was.

I'm better informed than Obama and ANY of his supporters

I'm afraid you're not.

Shaun - I'd still like to know, what do you think the press should have done to treat Palin more fairly?   "Wardrobe-gate" was patently absurd, but people were claiming unequal treatment well before that.  

I'm better informed than Obama and ANY of his supporters

I'm afraid you're not.

You're just afraid. Liberal. I understand.

I repeat, ANY of his supporters.

what do you think the press should have done to treat Palin more fairly?

They could have treated her like Obama, the pariahs' messiah.

sorry, having a valva doesnt automatically qualify one to be a world leader, and those who think that women will automatically flock to support another woman on the mere fact of shared gender are horribly mistaken. 

But that's not what I asked.  I asked what do you think was unfair about Palins coverage by the press and what could have been different?

  I asked what do you think was unfair about Palins coverage by the press and what could have been different?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8&eurl=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.member.html

But what does it have to do with the fairness of the coverage of Palin?  

I repeat, ANY of his supporters.

Absolutely no point in arguing someone who insults the masses and has a God-complex.

Anybody who has to follow what Bush did to this country is in way over their head. Bush made us a slave to China.

Shaun-

Of course he is in over his head...any President in office is going to be.  The question should be who showed the best ability to get a handle on the issues and offer hopefully some fresh options.   President-Elect Obama was the best choice.  No one expects him to make problems disappear, but our hope is that he will provide the best opportunity to get a handle on it.  Of all the candidates, he showed he would not panic, and would give thought to issues before making decisions.  He won't be perfect, but as I said, he was the best choice.

Obama, is in over his head.  You wait and see

Where have you been the last two years? He pulled this grassroots campaign out of his a$$ and kicked everyone's butt. He beat a senator has worked his whole life to be president. He beat Mrs. President--Hillary Clinton, the only woman who deserved to get as far as Palin did. The guy knows what he's doing.

Palin had the less qualified stardom that Obama also had. Obviously his qualifications trumped hers. And P.S. Many people who voted for McCain did not do it for Palin. They did it for either McCain alone, or for fear of Obama.

Bush made us a slave to China.

That was Bubba Clinton.

The guy knows what he's doing.

Having a complicit media & million$ in undisclosed illegal donor funds( middle east & george soros) and a population ignorant of the goals of Black Liberation Theology & Black Separatist Ideology sure helps.

Obama, is in over his head.  You wait and see. 

Don't count on me to provide him or his pals with a life-saver!

I took the test with Lis Whiel on the O'Reilly radio factor last Thursday. I got a 12 out of 14, and O'Reilly said those were the easy ones!!! :(

Archon I was just looking at this blog and saw many of your comments and it occured to me that you have some serious issues like "Little Mr Can't Be Wrong" I bet you have tendencies to see the best in people.  Not!  No you would rather argue for the sake of arguing and let me give you a clue people may listen to an opposing view at first if you have a specific point to make but once someone goes on and on attacking people your creditabiliy is gone......No one likes a know it all or at least someone who thinks that they know it all.....

No one likes a know it all or at least someone who thinks that they know it all.....

Woo hoo!

I like how you always seem to take the least meaningful point and harp on it, Shaun. 

You mean you object to spending money

That doesn't even come close to what SpoxLogic was saying, and you clearly know it.

Let's see.  I guess it's only sexist if she get's criticized.  When all the right leaning talking heads (especially on Fox News) were referring to how good she looked (and making even cruder, clearly sexist comments), there wasn't a peep from people like you, SHAUNV.

 Nothing on this, though.  How.......you. 

I guarantee that if any male presidential candidate or candidate for VEEP  who had been the mayor of a small town, then a state governor, had made some of the comments Palin made, he would have been crucified in the press. Remember Ross Perot?

Presidential politics is a tough business and people in the running have every single nuance and action scrutinized by the electron microscope of the press 24/7. Gaffes are immediately reported and reported and reported and reported for days on end. I'd just like to see what the press' reaction would have been to the statement that . . . "I can see Canada from my house" (the closest foreign country to Chicago) if it had been spoken by Obama. Palin spoke off the cuff and made mistakes. She got called on them. Perhaps next time out of the gate she'll do better. If not, she'll be a footnote in history books.

how many total territories vote in presendential elections? Virgian Islands Puerto Rico DC.....

ShaunV

I guess if you can't win the argument you are having, you can just start a new argument!  (My husband does that, and it drives me crazy)  So lets argue about Obama and forget Palin, okay?

Yeahh...what he said!

Another kid in pajamas in the basement of their parent's house

Obama thought there were 57 states

He's male.  That statement did not hurt him?

Obama is a "mixed-race" male; white guilt means you have to excuse his EVERY shortcoming.

and racism means that his "shortcomings" are his skin tones.

Obama is a "mixed-race" male; white guilt means you have to excuse his EVERY shortcoming

What is it called when McCain/Palin supporters support every one of their shortcomings?

Yeahh what she said!

Double yeah.  As a professional woman, I go out of my way to minimize any hint of flirtation or sexuality.  It's just not cool...

How about winking when running for VP?  Is that considered inappropriate?

"As for woman being able to wink at men in the workplace.  I don't know what kind of company your husband works for, but that is considered unbusinesslike in all reputable firms."

You brought it up, I was just responding to YOUR statement.

The sentence about women winking was copied from your post:  it must have some significance to you.  Like I said earlier, change the argument........

I don't think Shaun has ever been married B online, my wife is some one to be reckoned with! we are equal perhaps he's not familiar with the real 1st woman Lilith,not the Eve that the male dominated religious leaders.

B-online-Exactly.  As a woman and a manager, I expect more out of my female employees because I know what women are capable of.  And proving ourselves is the only to earn and keep respect.  Winking and wearing short skirts is a way to get ridiculed..(see Sarah Palin)

Pretty much sums it up right there Blearc...

I don't trust anyone who is for banning books.  Censorship really bugs me...actually SCARES me.

Actually Shaun try reading what I said was:

who asked about how to go about removing books from a library,

If I would have said she banned books you would be correct, the point is her intention to limit freedoms. 

The librarian basically told her, you can pull it out of my cold dead hands.  But what about the rest of the list Shaun? Any other untruths you want to try to find?

That's what I meant to say, she had the intentions...

I type faster than I think sometimes.  Her intention to limit freedoms is what scares me about her, and about many of these neo-cons.

Bar Fly - you had it right the first time she is clearly for banning books.  The question she asked the librarian had a clear motive.  She never did it because it was never feasible.  

I think Palin is smart in the way that Jessica Simpson is smart. She has zero book knowledge, but somehow amassed enough street smarts to know how to make people follow her around like a puppy.

 I agree:

"I think Palin is smart in the way that Jessica Simpson is smart"

Just because she remembers to put on her panties...she get 10 points. Although I think Palin knows more about TUNA...lmao She doesn't know much about turkeys tho.

Hope Palin reads the Constitution and other pertinent materials in the meantime as she thickens her skin.... as opposed to thickening her head which she apparently has been working on for some time!!!

Poor Palin was blessed with less than stellar intelligence and an inability to think on her feet.  I don't think judgement on her has anything to do with her sex.  She just wanted her time in the spotlight without considering that she was not up to the task at hand.  The conservatives were brainwashed into following her, and poor McCain paid the price.  Prove I am wrong.

Oh Kj0 there ya go again, dontcha know!

Sorry, sometimes my innerchild comes out to play.

Yeah, it's just like the racism card being played all over the place. No one really knows what these things mean.

That's because so much of it was word for word of what Palin said.  They didn't have to really write much material, it was all laid out for them.

Your boastful poast is so junior high school.

as you say....

I bet you can spit farther than palin, too.   I bet your spit can reach Russia

You shouldn't judge the comments of others Shaun, your comments are getting very childish and very "because I said so"

Should I spell it for you.

Nah, I don't think you could, plus I don't want to stress you out on such a busy day of fabricating bull@!$%#.

amen to that Mars.

Tsk...tsk...tsk.  Put my comment back, Shaun.  Or delete a bunch of your own.  Don't like getting slapped with your own hypocrisy?  I guess I don't blame ya.

Your boastful poast is so junior high school.

Sorry to over shoot Shaun.

You'll understand when you get there.

But Shaun,

Obama thought there was 57 states, so you must be wrong.

Well I voted nader. ANd yes the media was out to get Palin and McCain

Sorry, man, but the burden of proof here is not on us, it's on you. I'm not going to spend my time refuting something you would discount anyway. You bring me some evidence and I will gladly consider it. Your perception of the media covering all things McCain/Palin does not a biased media make.

Palin failed because she is not educated.  In my city, I could not get elected to the County Commissioners office with her education.  Maybe we just have a higher bar for County Commissioner than for VP.

you deserve more checks, but i can only vote once.

LOL yeah! She said:

"I consider myself a Feminist... whatever that means..." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Ann,

I can't stop laughing. She also said she didn't know what the job of VP was either. And we should have given it to her? Pa-leese !

so what, do you actually beleive that he thinks there are 57 states?

I think that is the question to ask.  He graduated from Columbia...Then Harvard...

Palin has said some humdingers that are far worse than this, you betcha!

She is a joke!  and a bad one at that.

Hijacking your own thread, Shaun?  Why don't you post that two or three more times.  Maybe then you'll feel better.

But Shaun, Palin said that she is a feminist and that she doesn't know what that means in the same sentence! She also said Africa was a country and South Africa was a region. She also can't name anything she reads. She also says "also too because..." and "Mavrick" . She also too said that she doesn't know what the VP does. Also too, don't ya know, she said that God tells her what to do politically. You betcha she also said that cities are not part of "Real America".

Shaun,

"57 states" is clearly your only argument. Obama had traveled the country and was exhausted. What is Sarah's excuse for not knowing anything she was asked. She needs to be educated before she opens her mouth.

Changing the argument again,ShaunV???  You need to stay on topic.  The article was about Palin.

Again!

“There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.”

                                                                       ~Goethe~

A+

Well, my A+ comment was for snwodttam's comment. But it was apparently so good that it was deleted.

It is hard being that good, GrayHouse! :D

A new poll has now confirmed the findings of the previous poll, so all is not lost!

"57 states" is clearly your only argument

Seriously. Enough already. If you think Obama really thinks there are 57 states, you have some serious introspection to do.

I know, she is a bad joke! 

Entertaining...

and that is what the problem is and was - she was a joke - no one could take her seriously - at least i couldn't - she never discussed issues - no issues at all - and that damn thumbs up & 'soccer mom' reference - ugh - she was a poster child for dragging women back into the 50s

I'm laughing more at shaun, he seeded this and can't keepup or ahead.  Terrible to be so far behind.

right...lol :)

maybe you can build a bridge from the hill to Illinois, then you can be a DOT expert too.

LOL. Keep an eye out for Putin. He has a vacation home in Belleville!

Next time you go outside at night debmo, catch a look at the moon. It'll make you an expert rocket scientist and an astronaut.

Dang guys you got me beat.  I live in the middle of an Army base.  I can see Iraq from here. :)

You do realize that Obama is quoted as stating that there are 57 states?

Where? Was it on news or in writing? I dont recall it.

He misspoke one time!  Lets crucify him!

Even if he did misspoke this saying I would like to see it.

Also, I'm was for McCain but before that I was for Clintion. So guess which if I liked her or Sarah. 

 Even if he did misspoke this saying I would like to see it.

Also, I'm was for McCain but before that I was for Clintion. So guess which if I liked her or Sarah. 

I can't... I won't... I want to, so much. I'll be nice.